8. 8. Plaid Cymru Debate: Universal Credit

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 6:18 pm on 25 October 2017.

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Photo of Carl Sargeant Carl Sargeant Labour 6:18, 25 October 2017

Let me tell you that I’ve been to London and I’ve talked with Lord Freud about the very issues that your colleague mentioned, particularly about women’s issues and the way that claims are made. But what the Member should really consider—[Interruption.] What the leader of the opposition—. What the leader of Plaid Cymru, I should say, should consider is that, actually, her contribution was a weak one when she didn’t even know the numbers. So, we may park that there.

Let me point out to the Member’s intervention that, actually, if he thinks it is right to pay £266 million in the first year for administration costs when the UK Government can do this at the stroke of a pen or by just telling the computer, ‘This is how we want the system to operate’, and when we could use that money more carefully for supported intervention, the Member has a long way to consider the intervention on this.