Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 1:29 pm on 14 November 2017.
As someone who represented the north-west of north Wales I was delighted when Carl appeared to represent the north-east of north Wales, because one of the great tricks, as colleagues will know, in the north of Wales, is getting us all to work together. But if there was ever a problem, the Sarge would solve it.
We had a marvellous time on the north Wales express train, and we must keep that train running, if only in celebration of Carl's great life as a politician on that train. He would come on, occasionally it would be the breakfast train—often Lesley would be there as well—and sometimes the supper train, and of course Carl on the supper train was, I'm not saying it was a travelling circus, but it was certainly a travelling lounge, where everyone on the train, in that business class that we have there, was wanting to speak with Carl and express their points of view. And the staff, equally, were always delighted to see Carl join us. And it was on that train that he made the greatest contribution to my life, and to the people I represent.
Mention has been made of what he did for the communities of Wales, for the urban communities, but I want to celebrate and thank him for what he did for the environment of Wales, and in particular for the designated landscapes, because he understood, as someone who was a proper north Walian, who loved both the industrial areas, and the rural areas and the national parks, and the areas of outstanding natural beauty, that it was important that these areas should learn to live together and share their delight. And this was part of his putting legislation into action, because this was the Well-being of Future Generations (Wales) Act 2015, and the Environment (Wales) Act 2015, actually put to work. And Lesley, of course, took on that work on future landscapes, and it has now happened.
I was approached by someone with great excitement a few months ago, saying 'Were you at that meeting in Aberystwyth?' And I said, 'What meeting was I supposed to be at in Aberystwyth?' And they said, 'Well, for the first time ever, the national parks and the areas of outstanding natural beauty were in the same room.' And that was down to Carl.
This morning, at our cathedral of Llandaff, during our Welsh language eucharist for St Dyfrig's Day, the canon prayed for this National Assembly, for the Government of Wales, and for you as a family. Let it be known to you that you will be in our prayers and our thanks for the life of Carl as long as this institution exists.