The finance Secretary said a moment ago that he didn't recognise the figures that were produced by the Member for Carmarthen East and Dinefwr. Can he tell us what figure, then, he would recognise in this context?

And, as regards value for money, when the Department for Transport did a study of the benefits of the dualling of the A465 several years ago, they suggested that they came out at £1.52 of benefits for every £1 spent. If there is a significant increase in the cost of the project, of course, that relationship will substantially worsen. The Department for Transport regards schemes as often low value for money if the benefits are below £1.50 for every  £1 invested. So, are we not in danger, if costs are not contained on this project, of ending up with another white elephant fiasco, and that's money that could've been applied in other ways to the benefit of the people of Wales?