Well, I mean, first of all, I had some rumbling from the party opposite about the overcharging of customers—in 2015, when my party stood in the general election, they accused us of being Marxists for wanting to put a price cap on energy prices. That's how much they cared for ordinary people. We all know what the Tories are like.

Now, in answer to the question posed by the leader of UKIP, every single method of generating energy costs money—every single method. Nuclear costs a great deal of money as well. Yes, we do want to make sure that we have cleaner, greener energy—it's good for energy security; why would we want to import energy from other countries when we can generate our own in a renewable way? Or is he saying is that we should just have coal-fired power stations absolutely everywhere and more opencast? Because that is the upshot of what he's saying.