The Member raises one example. There could be other examples that we could raise, so I wish to continue with my answers and my speech.

This issue about the perception of independence—it's already been raised about what people say, but let's be honest, again, and be truthful to ourselves: one member of this committee actually was a Minister in the Assembly Government in 2014; one Member has recently been a member of the Cabinet; another Member's husband was actually a Cabinet Minister within that Assembly. There will always be sceptical views and voices being heard as a consequence of those issues, and it's time to get real and be honest and acknowledge that this will be an excuse used by some to put doubt in people's minds about anything other than a full condemnation of what comes out of this investigation of the First Minister. Now, we don't want that and we don't need it. We don't want the doubt being created.

Now, what the amendment seeks to achieve is the process of an independent analysis of the allegations, leading to the production of a report, and the submission of that report for public scrutiny. For those who argue the Assembly should be allowed to scrutinise the First Minister, that would become public and it will be brought before the Assembly. In fact, the amendment indicates that it will be noted by the Committee for the Scrutiny of the First Minister. So, it will be looked at.

I'm supporting the amendment this afternoon. I believe that this will give the people of Wales the most independent, most rigorous and transparent process of the outcomes that will have confidence, not just in Assembly Members in this institution, not just within this bubble, but in the people outside this institution who cannot point any fingers because of any perceived possibility of non-independence. That's what we—[Inaudible.]