Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:40 pm on 29 November 2017.
I couldn't agree more. It's about understanding whether the allegations in the first instance stack up, what actions were taken when the allegations were made to the First Minister and, above all, what actions were put in place to address the concerns, if they stacked up when they were investigated. And, importantly, who investigated them? Because none of us knows the answers to any of those questions, and they have been asked.
And I ask this question again of the Labour benches: if you were sitting on a committee of an organisation you were scrutinising and senior people within that organisation made these allegations—and I use the word 'allegations', because that's what they are, allegations that need to either be stacked up and proved or disproved—wouldn't you have them before you? Wouldn't you have them before you to give the evidence? Likewise, the people involved in being accused of not doing the actions to address the concerns, wouldn't you have them in to give their side of the argument? That's what this motion is about.
I've heard what people have said about timing, and it is right: when would be the appropriate time to undertake this? We have put this motion before the Assembly today because, as I said, the investigation into the tragedy that flowed from the Cabinet reshuffle is an independent process that is going on by separate inquiry. There is now the investigation that the First Minister has referred himself to, the independent person, which he announced last Thursday. I put my letter in asking him to do that on 10 November. This motion appeared on the order paper last Thursday. I just ask you to draw your own conclusions as to why that came out on the very same day.
I do believe that the public will look unkindly on us as an institution—an institution that, in my view, is the parliament of Wales—and as the democratic representatives of Wales, not having the opportunity to make inquiries and scrutinise the First Minister through the medium of the Committee for the Scrutiny of the First Minister on allegations that have been levelled directly at his office and his actions. As I say again, I don't think that's an unreasonable proposition to ask Members to vote for this afternoon. I do hope that, on reflection, Members will vote to support this motion, will allow the committee to undertake its work and, ultimately, I hope, disprove these allegations, but if they are proved, will offer the recommendations that we need to make sure that there isn't a corner anywhere in public life where such serious accusations can stack up and people feel that they are being neglected, abused and pushed to one side.