Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:26 pm on 5 December 2017.
Well, I don't disagree with that, Llywydd, where we're able to do that. I didn't disagree with what Mark Isherwood said about the need to make sure we position the citizen as a partner in that process, making sure that we work with citizens in the process of change. It is more difficult to do, we know, in practice than it is to say.
So, on those two big points, Llywydd, you can see that there is a difference of views across the Chamber. In the agreement that we have with Plaid Cymru, let me be clear: I don't regard this as a short-term deal in the way that Nick Ramsay said. I regard it as a significant agreement going on over two years in which we don't agree about everything—of course we don't—but there is a common set of purposes.