I'd just like to record my support for these legislative proposals. The concept of a national citizens' service has long been Welsh Conservative policy, but, of course, it's one that transcends all party divides and there are, as David said, different models to consider here. But I particularly welcome this, as any contribution to ideas for a participatory democracy that offer an alternative to referenda are certainly something to be welcomed.

I support this because, essentially, at the heart of this, we're talking about an acknowledgement and even a celebration of both the individual and the collective, and if I could speak to my socialist colleagues here, that sense of community, a call on untapped social capital to contribute to social cohesion, enhance public services in the way that David has mentioned, and absolutely to build that confident, proactive and politically engaged citizenry.

I remember one of my early disappointments when I became an Assembly Member was in a question to the First Minister, when I put to him the question whether he'd be prepared to consider some sort of national citizen service at that point, and he said that Wales didn't need one, because it was already promoting volunteering to younger people. I think he was talking, at that time, about GwirVol, which no longer exists, unfortunately, and which did reach some young people, and was, I've no doubt, valuable in terms of them and their development as individuals, but it didn't really offer much at a strategic level with a clear, population-level societal purpose. 

With colleagues, I visited Israel a few months ago, and there, of course, military national service is compulsory for non-Arab citizens and some other exempt categories, lasting somewhere between two and three years. Clearly, I'm not advocating any kind of replication of that, but I was very struck by some of the lasting effects of that experience on virtually every Jewish Israeli person that we spoke to, regardless of how long ago they had had that experience. The first was the sense of unity and responsibility for each other, regardless of socioeconomic background. Of course, I will accept that the ever-present security threat there is bound to concentrate minds to a certain extent, but even so, it was clear that we were meeting people who had learnt to be confident about making decisions, acting upon those decisions, and trusting each other to do the same—and not just for themselves, but in a sense of common cause. Mistakes were considered inevitable, as was the dusting down and starting again when people did make mistakes.

The second thing that struck me was how this translated into their attitude towards the economy and its growth: people of all ages and backgrounds being bold, very can-do, taking calculated risks, not always succeeding but being very comfortable in co-operating with each other, even in a competitive environment. And some told us that it was their experience of service alongside others that had given them this approach to progress—a progress that they saw as providing benefits extending beyond themselves. [Interruption.]

Oh, is it? It's only three minutes I've got, is it? Oh, I'm really sorry about that.

Effectively, all I wanted to say is that if we're serious about co-production and, particularly, the imperative embodied in the Well-being of Future Generations (Wales) Act 2015, then we really have to do something now to encourage the population at large to be confident enough to be participants in that co-productive Wales.