I completely agree. I absolutely and completely agree. But at a time when democratic ideals are being tested all over the world, we do think that the people of Catalonia should have their rights and wishes respected, and that, whatever the result of that, we can continue to hold up Europe as a home to democratic ideals and values for others to follow.

Llywydd, in this debate the Government of Wales will be abstaining. We will be giving our backbenchers a free vote because we think it's extremely important that that goes. The abstention is not because we don't sympathise with the people of Catalonia, but because we do not think there's any role for the Welsh Government in deciding the fate of another nation.