Well, I'm sure that the Member will have as much faith as I do in the Cabinet Secretary for Finance for him to go up to London and negotiate a deal for Wales for the administration of welfare that would bring us the consequentials that we need. I have every confidence that we'd do a much better job of administering welfare in this country ourselves than that lot up in London. Absolutely.

I was making the point, Deputy Presiding Officer, that the administration of welfare and its centralisation are a relatively new thing in these islands. The reason why we have the Merthyr Tydfil judgment of 1900 is because of a stand taken by the poor law guardians of Merthyr Tydfil to try and support striking miners, and, of course, we have circular 703 issued by the Ministry of Health back in the pre-war days in order to try and curtail local support for people living in poverty. The interwar period saw the emergence of a hypercentralised state and, originally, after the second world war, that benefited many people, but the political reality today is that for as long as everything is in the hands of Ministers in London, then it's the citizens of Wales that will pay the heavy price, and the most vulnerable citizens of Wales that will pay the heaviest price.

In closing, Deputy Presiding Officer, I mentioned that period of hypercentralisation during the interwar period, and Professor Norman Ginsburg, someone who's a social policy expert, described the centralisation of that period as serving to contain the revolutionary potential of the working class. Why don't we decentralise it, and perhaps the Welsh Government can find its own revolutionary potential to protect the people of this country?