7. Plaid Cymru debate: Housing for the homeless

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:25 pm on 10 January 2018.

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Photo of David Melding David Melding Conservative 5:25, 10 January 2018

Diolch yn fawr, Dirprwy Lywydd, and I so move the amendment. Can I start by thanking Plaid Cymru for putting this motion down today? It's a very important subject, and I think it was quite poignant, what Bethan said—that in the run-up to Christmas, it's like one of the annual things that get attention, and, really, we need a much greater ambition than that. I think using your time for a minority party debate on housing and homelessness this afternoon is a good way to do that. I do think, and perhaps it's building on what Bethan said, that there is a lot of consensus in this area about the priority that needs to be given to tackling this very acute problem, but also the fact that it is, potentially, beyond the party political battleground. That's why I think the idea of a commission, an all-party commission, to sit down and to really get to grips with a strategy that could unite us but have a high enough priority in terms of what our objectives are, and also to set a very particular target to eliminate rough-sleeping—. I think a lot of us see homelessness and rough-sleeping—they create slightly different challenges.

Rough-sleeping, I think, is an absolute disgrace—that it goes on. I am of the generation when you could remember it starting, really, as a phenomenon. It's not something that we've had since the second world war, necessarily, and there was a time when there were just one or two people in towns and cities. I think we really need to look at this. It's a very, very deep phenomenon, and it needs some very careful addressing, but I commend the work of the mayor of Manchester, Andy Burnham, who has, I know, set a target for 2020. That's why it's in our amendment. Others may have a view on that, but I think a commission could look at it, but really starting with rough-sleeping and ending that as soon as possible, and then an ambitious strategy, as well, for homelessness, which will have to be related to a wide range of things, including more social housing. But it is, I think, time to raise the bar and not get into this cycle of an annual discussion around Christmastime, but the problem persists, and it doesn't seem to be going in the direction we want it to in terms of a sustainable solution.

Can I refer to the auditor general's report on homelessness, which was published yesterday? I think it's important that we reflect on that. I know, obviously, the Public Accounts Committee will look at it. It starts by saying that this is a challenging area, and that's why, I think, it needs a cross-party approach, as well. It's not knock-about political stuff, in my view. I think we need to really get beyond that. It is caused by a range of complex and overlapping reasons, and as the auditor general says, it is, and I quote, 

'much more than putting a roof over people's heads'.

It is related to many aspects of someone's life. However, I think we have to be aware that, whilst the change that was brought in with the housing Act to turn towards prevention is widely commended, local authorities are not fulfilling, in a consistent way, their duties under that Act, but also, I think, very concerning, according to the auditor general, the Equality Act 2010, and also the Well-being of Future Generations (Wales) Act 2015. So, again, I think it's very important that we've got those important statutes there that should be ensuring that this need is met much more effectively, and I think all parties need to come together to push that agenda. 

I think there were some clear lessons for local authorities as well. The Government can set the legislative framework and the priorities and the budgeting, but it is carried out by local authorities, and housing associations and other key agencies. I think what the auditor general says there is really important: the skills of demand management, the need to provide advice and information. And in fairness to the Government, although Bethan talked about priority categories for homelessness, everyone is entitled to advice and information on housing, and I think many thought that was a key benefit of the legislation. Effective collaboration is key, and also engagement with service users, which is often lacking. 

I'm now out of time, but can I just commend the housing first model? It's certainly something we've looked at, and feel that it's a good way of taking forward—. The idea that you start with a person in a home and you build around that has really been a key breakthrough in some very interesting areas, as Bethan indicated with her example in Utah. So, I think there's much merit in us going down that route as well. Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer.