Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:32 pm on 16 January 2018.
Whilst supporting the Welsh Government budget, I acknowledge that the budget is inadequate for the needs of Wales. As the Cabinet Secretary said during his speech, there is between £1.1 billion and £4 billion less in expenditure than we actually should have if we'd even just stayed level, in one case in cash terms, and the other one in terms of real-terms increases in line with the movement in the economy. So, we can either move with the economy or we can be just moving with the way things are going. We haven't and we're short of this money. It would be an entirely different budget today if the Cabinet Secretary had somewhere between £1.1 billion and £4 billion to distribute.
We'd have a better debate because we'd be saying, 'Should we increase health by more or should we increase education by more, or should we increase social services by more?', which I think is a debate we'd all enjoy having, instead of saying, 'Well, we're going to give more money to health so we're going to have to take money off local government.'