Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:39 pm on 16 January 2018.
I'm grateful to you, Presiding Officer. I am grateful to all Members who have taken time to contribute to the debate this afternoon. It's always important to consider how we structure the funding and financing of local government, and also the relative priority given to local government within the overall Welsh budget.
Can I just say this? There is not simply respect and mutual respect for local government in this Welsh Government—and, I believe, across the Chamber, in fact—there is also a wish and a want to work together, to collaborate together, to work in a real, not a pretended, partnership together. The question from Simon Thomas during my opening remarks spoke to an area where we've been successful in achieving our ambitions. We've been successful, not because local government succeeded or the Welsh Government succeeded, because we succeeded together and we worked together. That is what I want to see today and in the future.
Can I say, Presiding Officer, I do listen to, particularly, Conservative spokespeople talking about the formula, and talking about its relative weaknesses? But let me say this: Mike Hedges is absolutely right in his analysis; the formula can be changed. It can be changed. I've heard many Conservative Members here arguing for a change in the formula. What I haven't heard is Conservative councillors arguing for that change in the formula. You know, I will say to the Conservative spokesperson, we had a meeting of the finance sub-group on 14 December, where we met with local government to discuss this settlement and that formula, and they weren't proposing changes to it. I'll give the Member an opportunity now. We have a meeting next week. If she wishes the Conservative Party to propose changes to the formula, you have a meeting next week—I believe it's next Wednesday or Thursday: propose those changes. Let's see what the changes are. Let's see what you want to see. Let's see how you believe the funding should be distributed. And then let's see if you can find a Conservative councillor who'll propose it. Because when I talk to Conservative councillors, what they aren't talking to me about is changing the formula. They're just saying they're very grateful that their councillors in Wales are not councillors in England, where they've seen their own Government contemptuously not just dismissing local government, but systematically dismantling local government. [Interruption.] I'll give way to the leader of the opposition if he wants me to. I give way to the leader of the opposition.