Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:34 pm on 16 January 2018.
If Mark Isherwood is asking, 'Can we fund every local authority by exactly the same amount per head?', on behalf of Swansea, I say, 'Yes, please.' And I think there'd be people in Cardiff who'd be ecstatic about it, and there'd be problems in other parts of Wales where they'd be less happy.
The formula means that it's driven by population, and population demographics, with additional money for sparsity and deprivation. One of the problems with some of the local authorities who have been losing money is that their population, relative to the rest of Wales, has been decreasing. Cardiff has done well this year because its population relative to the rest of Wales has been increasing. And all those people who say, 'We don't want any building in our area; we don't want any development', well, you're going to then have the corollary of that, which is that you're not going to get as much money in local government settlements.390
Can I just say that, no, Cardiff and Swansea do not get a penny for the regional services they provide? The settlement will leave local authorities with difficult decisions. Can I—? I'll leave with two requests. One is for the Welsh Government, and that is: can they free local authorities to set their own charges for planning applications? This is something that is set centrally. Some local authorities would want to charge more, some would want to charge less, and some would want to make planning a situation where it washes its face in terms of income and expenditure. The other one is: will people in this Chamber stop complaining when local authorities make the cuts that we are forcing upon them by our real-terms cuts in their expenditure, when they've got the huge pressure they've got on their budgets, especially social care? People are going to vote against the budget today, but how many will be voting against the budget because they think more money should be going to local government and less to health?