Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:38 pm on 23 January 2018.
I've got no problem with organisations raising money. The point I'm trying to get across—which I'm obviously failing with—is that these organisations are wholly dependent on Government money. If the Government turns the money off, these organisations close. That is the key to this. So, they can't go about pretending they're private sector organisations for the benefit of themselves. They're dependent on Government money, they're dependent on the public sector, they're dependent on money from the taxpayers of Wales, and, as such, they should be responsible to them.