8. Debate: The Thurley Review of Amgueddfa Cymru

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:49 pm on 23 January 2018.

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Photo of Lord Dafydd Elis-Thomas Lord Dafydd Elis-Thomas Independent 5:49, 23 January 2018

(Translated)

Thank you very much, Llywydd, and may I thank all of the Members who have taken part in this debate, and for the general welcome that's been extended to the recommendations? We had opening remarks from Suzy Jenkins that emphasised that—why did I say Suzy Jenkins? It was Suzy Davies. I was thinking about someone else, Suzy Davies. We had remarks about the importance of Assembly Members expressing their opinions, and that was the reason for holding this debate and I'm grateful for that. I'm grateful for the support given to independence and the importance of growing capacity within the institution. I am confident, and I wouldn't be saying this unless it wasn't on the basis of the discussions that I've had and that I'm going to have again.

As emphasised already, the independence of the museum is important, but also, as Julie Morgan said, the Government's influence as the authority and public body that has national responsibility for the museum is part of the responsibility that we have as a Government and as an Assembly. So, both of those elements have to work in accord. It's a matter of establishing the difference between them that's important. I can give assurance that I will be striving to co-draft the remit letter so that we can discuss together how we want to set out the programme for the coming years. That includes, of course, the funding programme. We're restricted by the current fiscal regime established in Westminster as to how far we can go in the years to come to give assurance. But we will be considering that further. 

I am grateful to Dai Lloyd for his appropriate historic lecture on the development of the museum and its educational role. May I assure him that there's no intention by this Minister to merge national institutions? Cultural independence, if not full constitutional independence for the nation that owns the museum, is a vital part of the culture Minister's agenda. The devolved nature of the museum within Wales itself is a vital part of its interest and its difference, as I've seen in visiting these institutions recently. I acknowledge the importance of the agreement made with Plaid Cymru. This was part of the discussion that I had with museum officials, and the intention is that we will continue in that spirit of agreement over the coming years with regard to the budget.

Thank you to Mike Hedges, who always tells the truth in an amusing way.