4. Statement by the Minister for Housing and Regeneration: Tackling Rough Sleeping and Homelessness

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:07 pm on 6 February 2018.

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Photo of Rebecca Evans Rebecca Evans Labour 4:07, 6 February 2018

Thank you very much for those questions. Mike Hedges is completely right to point out to us that, actually, when we're talking about homelessness, we're not talking only about rough-sleeping, although that is the most visible part of it. Estimates suggest that there might be 30 people sofa surfing or in other kinds of temporary accommodation for every person who we see sleeping on the streets. When we ask people what the reasons are that they became homeless, actually, a lot of the time, it is because a parent or a friend or a relative was no longer willing to accommodate them. So, for many people, although they might have a roof over their head tonight, it is a precarious one, and their situation could change at any time.

I also was pleased that Mike mentioned that we shouldn't be judgmental about people who are rough-sleepers and people who we see on the streets, because I'm very keen that we do take a trauma-informed approach, and that we consider adverse childhood experiences. Any person I've spoken to who has been in a homeless situation, or who's experiencing substance misuse, actually the kind of story that has led up to them being in the situation they're in now is something that very few of us would be able to cope with, so I think that it's quite right to highlight the seriousness of the issues that do lead to rough-sleeping and drug and alcohol abuse as well.

I completely agree that we do need to be building more council houses. I'm keen, also, that we ensure that those councils that are ready to build, able to build and ready to go can do so. I know that some of our local authorities are at the top of their borrowing cap now, and the borrowing cap is set by the Treasury. So, there are two pieces of work going on there: one around seeing what we could do, in partnership and in agreement with local authorities, to move some of the borrowing that hasn't been used by some local authorities over to local authorities that are at the top of their borrowing cap but can still do more and are still wanting to do more. And, also, seeing what we can do in order to ensure that the borrowing cap, which was raised in England—that we also get a similar relative rise to our borrowing cap as well. Those discussions are going on at the moment.

In terms of night shelters, we have provided funding for an additional 40 bed spaces across Newport, Wrexham, Swansea and Cardiff, and they'll be coming online over the coming weeks and months. However, we also know that, on any night, there are empty bed spaces in night shelters, and this is a particular concern to me: that there are people who would choose to sleep rough rather than use a night shelter. The reasons for that are diverse. For example, some people don't want to abide by some of the stricter conditions that might be laid down in some of the night shelters. There will be other people who have been banned from night shelters on the basis of previous behaviour. Others don't want to go to night shelters because they see them as areas where there is substance misuse of various sorts, and they want to stay away from all of that. In other cases, there might not be opportunities for couples to stay together or for people to take pets, for example. So, there is a wide range of reasons why people don't engage with night shelters. I do think there's a piece of work for us to be doing there, with the sector as well. I hope that that work that Shelter is doing, talking directly to rough-sleepers, will give us some of the answers as to what can make night shelters more attractive, especially on the coldest of nights.