I absolutely agree that we need to have a substantive discussion on this very important matter in Government time. We cannot simply rely on opposition motions on this important matter. This proposal is in danger of completely gobbling up every aspect of the Welsh Government's borrowing limits, which means there's a real danger that it would be the only capital investment that we would be able to make. I am unconvinced that this is the best way of spending £1.5 billion.

Andrew R.T. Davies talks about the traffic backed up at 06:30 in the morning coming west towards the Brynglas tunnel. I've yet to be convinced that spending all this money on these 14 miles of new road would make any difference to that problem on its own, because you'd simply have the traffic backing up just a little bit further down the road. Unless we have modal shift, we are not going to be resolving the congestion problem that we get at particular times of the day. When I go down the road at 10:30 or 11:00 in the morning, no problem at all. This is a commuter problem, and the reason we have this problem is because we have not invested in public transport historically over the years, and that is why people are choosing to travel to their work in Newport and Cardiff by car, which is a completely crazy way of using resources.