8. Debate: The Final Police Settlement 2018-19

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:05 pm on 13 February 2018.

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Photo of Gareth Bennett Gareth Bennett UKIP 5:05, 13 February 2018

Well, I wondered, which is why I raised it.

Looking at the Labour manifesto, the UK manifesto from last year, there was not really any mention of devolution of policing, so it would be good to hear today, Minister, what your attitude to devolution of policing is, and how you think that tallies with the attitude of the Westminster Labour Party.

What would we like to see in UKIP as the priorities for police funding? Well, in general we support the principle of more bobbies on the beat. We note that you made a commitment to the 500 PCSOs. Yes, we think that's a good thing. We said so last year. We think in general the greater visibility of police officers or, failing that, PCSOs will have a deterrent effect on crime and will lead communities to actually feel safer and more cohesive. To that end we would support any moves that took police officers away from paperwork and got them out into the community. You mentioned yourself community safety, so in that respect we agree with you.

Labour Ministers in the Assembly in the past have tended to talk a lot about taking measures to divert young people away from crime and anti-social behaviour, and we broadly also support this way of dealing with the issue. If there can be early interventions to prevent crime from taking place in the first place, then that is a cost-effective way of using the budget. To be more specific, what crimes are we seeing in Wales at the moment that appear to be on the rise or to be particularly problematic? Well, to look at South Wales Central to begin with, we've seen problems with illegal off-road biking, deliberate grass fires and problems associated with on-street drug use, all of which I've raised in various questions in the Chamber in the past year. Moving away from south Wales, there's also been a particular problem, which seems to be notably affecting Newport, which is over missiles being thrown at emergency vehicles and emergency workers. We know that there are also certain areas of Newport where, in the recent past, taxi drivers have been unwilling to go. This isn't me having a pop at Newport, by the way; it's simply acknowledging that there are anti-social problems there.

So, it would be interesting to think how we could attempt to deal with this at source and try to understand why this is happening and what community-based measures we might bring in in an attempt to prevent these fairly mindless acts taking place. Of course, it isn't just happening in Newport. Chris Bryant, the Labour MP for Rhondda, has a private Member's Bill going through Parliament at the moment, and his Bill is calling for tougher sanctions against offenders who assault emergency workers. Attacks on such workers have risen to an astonishing 275 a day, although of course that's a UK figure. But I think we do need to combine tougher sanctions with an understanding of why these things happen in the first place.

That's enough from me on today's settlement. As I say, we do support your motion. Thank you.