I give way to Darren Millar in the vain hope—you would have thought I'd learnt my lesson after a decade of doing so—that he would actually inform the debate and he would inform Members, rather than continue to pursue a failed argument, which he failed to make in his substantive remarks and which he failed to make again there. But if he is going to join me in supporting the devolution of the policing budget and of policing responsibility—I'll give way again if he wishes to. He doesn't.

But let me say this in replying to the debate: I do agree with the points that were made by Siân Gwenllian on both the issue of the budgets and on the devolution of police forces. I can reassure Gareth Bennett that it is the policy of the Welsh Government that these matters should be devolved to Wales, and it is a policy of the Labour Party and the Labour movement that these things are devolved to this place and to this country. And the points that were made by Mick Antoniw, I think, were most telling. But the points that were made about CSOs and the role that they have in communities in helping keep our communities safe is absolutely fundamental to addressing issues of crime and issues of community safety. We will be continuing to protect that budget, and I certainly want to see the Welsh Government contribution to CSOs maintained in the longer term, and not just over the current and present future financial year.

But the fundamental point Mick Antoniw raised about 18 per cent cuts as opposed to a 30 per cent increase in budget is fundamental to all the other parts of the debate we've had this afternoon. At the end of the day, we've heard warm words for the police forces from successive Home Secretaries and policing Ministers in London, but what we've seen has not been the funding to sustain and support those policies. 

And let me say this, Deputy Presiding Officer: Mark Isherwood, in a somewhat bizarre contribution, seemed to be arguing at one point that the police had far too much money, if anything, and then he seemed to be almost blaming victims for crime numbers, which I really find a curious argument to be making. But let me say this to Mark Isherwood, because I know that he has some very real concerns in all of these matters: fundamentally, we have two issues here facing us. We have a flawed settlement that delivers poor policy making, and we have flawed logic in the Treasury that doesn't deliver sufficient funding for our core public services, and I include the police in that. 

Let me say this: I was visiting Swansea prison last Thursday morning and talking to the management of the prison and the management of the prison service at that time. And it is clear to me that unless we're able to focus and to set the context of our penal policy within the context of rehabilitation, within the context of the probation service that was raised by the leader of Plaid Cymru at FMQs earlier today, within the context of health services being delivered by the local health boards, within the context of local education providers providing education for people who are currently in prisons, without the context of the police working alongside other blue light services, without the context of being able to join up services and deliver coherence in policy making, we are not being able to deliver a coherent policy in any element of justice. And I think that's a tragedy. It's a tragedy for the people of Wales that successive UK Governments have not been able to deliver a settlement to this place that is necessary and satisfactory to deliver on policing policy and justice policy. That is an absolute tragedy, and I hope that we will see significant changes in the settlement here that will enable us to have that coherence in the future.

Let me say this—and Siân Gwenllian was absolutely right in the points she made: that coherence of policy will not be translated into more effective policing, more effective delivery of community safety in our communities, will not be able to provide the protection that our citizens need and deserve and require unless there is sufficient funding of policing services to deliver that. And fundamentally the Treasury and the United Kingdom Conservative Government have failed to deliver the cash on the basis of the words that they—