6. Debate on the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee's report into loneliness and isolation

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:55 pm on 14 February 2018.

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Photo of Angela Burns Angela Burns Conservative 4:55, 14 February 2018

To be honest with you, what I was going to say I think both Dai and Lynne have covered extremely well. So, my message to you, Minister, is along these lines: when I took part in this committee inquiry, I was absolutely staggered to understand just how big this problem is. Not very long ago, we passed a public health Bill, and we talked about trying to make people slimmer and fitter, and make sure that there were loos everywhere, but we didn't actually talk enough about how we make sure that, no matter what age you are, you feel integrated into a society that's becoming increasingly frantic and frenetic. And I think that, for those who are not part of our inner caucus, it is worth just saying what the difference is between loneliness and isolation. I'd like to give you an example of one particular case I have at the moment.

So, you can be lonely if you are an older person and you're in a care home, and you're surrounded by loads of other people, and they're all saying, 'Come on, let's go off to the aromatherapy, and let's go and watch telly, and let's do bingo', but if you've never been a joiner-inner, if you've never been adept at building your social networks, if you've never had that emotional resilience, then why are you suddenly going to develop it at 75 or 80, or 65, or whatever it is, usually when you've lost your significant other? Because that's when the loneliness really bites.

Isolation is when you are literally missing the contact around you. You could be a farmer stuck up a track. Or, in fact, you could be like a gentleman that I have in my constituency, and he lives in a very large town—I won't identify it too much, because I don't want to give away his identity. But he lives in a little bungalow that's on the edge of a very busy road. He sees nobody. However, he sees the world: he sees the cars going by, he sees the schoolkids to queueing up for the bus, and he feels a little bit of a connection. Unfortunately, the person who owns his property is going to sell it, and he is going to be moved away. And, you know, the housing association very kindly want to go and pop him into a nice little bungalow, but where he won't see anybody, where, once that door closes, that's it; he's on his own, he is truly, truly isolated. And I will predict that that elderly gentleman, with his enormous widescreen tv—because that's all he has, and I've been to his house—because that's his companion, from nine in the morning when he switches it on until he goes to bed at night, he's just going to become more lonely, he's going to become more isolated, he's going to become more depressed, and he will eventually start having to lean on us, on our social services, on our healthcare as his health plummets. And if I took away nothing from that committee report, it was about how we need to support people in their older age.

And I do just want to pick up one point that Lynne made. Although our report, or our inquiry, focused on older people, we cannot forget the young, because the danger of social media is that we forget how to make relationships. We click on Facebook or Twitter, or whatever it is, and wow, we've got 450 friends. Of course, they're not real friends. They don't know who your mum is. They don't know if you've got a dog. They don't know what you like for your tea. But you think they're friends. And we are rearing a generation that is actually making very shallow connections. So, what happens when that young generation becomes our middle-aged generation and then our older generation? Because then they will truly understand what loneliness and isolation is all about, when they look to Facebook and actually find those 400-odd friends really, really don't exist—they're a chimera.

So, I think it's really important. And I would beg you to please bring forward your strategy as soon as possible. And in your partial acceptance of recommendation 1, when you said that, in the meantime, you would look to try to grow good projects, we saw plenty of good projects in our committee, from Men's Sheds to Ffrind i Mi to community connectors—the whole plethora. They need support, they need encouragement, they need empowerment, and I would ask you to do that.