Thank you very much, Deputy Presiding Officer, for squeezing me in in the debate and I just wanted to say, really, that, like everyone else, I was deeply shocked at the figures that emerged. The thought that a quarter of older people in our country here in Wales feel that they are lonely, I think, is a very sobering thought, and I think that all the members of the committee felt very sobered by the extent of these figures and the fact that for the over-80s it was so much worse.

Many people have mentioned the fact that it's not just older people, and I do have particular concern about older people from the BME community and, indeed, anyone who has a language barrier, because I think that the problem of not being able to communicate easily is a huge problem for building up relationships, and I think that is something that we should be very aware of when we look into how we tackle this issue. Other people have also mentioned about the fact that Stonewall Cymru has highlighted the fact that lesbian, gay, bi and trans people are much more vulnerable to isolation and loneliness, and I know there have been some recommendations in the past about how those issues can be tackled.

So, it is something that is not restricted to older people. But I was particularly impressed by what Joyce Watson said in her speech when she spoke about the general things that can really help older people to not be isolated and not be lonely, and, of course, she mentioned transport and being able to travel around, and I think the provision of the bus pass has been one of the greatest achievements of this Assembly, because it has, in fact, freed people to be able to travel without any concern about how much money it might cost them. So, it's things like that, I think, that actually do make a universal difference, but I think are very effective, and I'd like us to think, really, of that sort of solution because there are many ways that we can mitigate against isolation and loneliness.

Toilets: lots of people have mentioned toilets. I had a huge petition collected on Whitchurch high street, mainly with older people going out and getting the signatures, to try to get a local toilet so that people would be able to go down to the high street, because so many older people have told me, 'Now there's no public toilets open there, we can't go out and we can't go shopping', so that is the wider issue. The general provision of public toilets, I think, is something that will also tackle that issue.

And, just finally, to end, I'd just like to mention some initiatives in my constituency of Cardiff North: I would like to praise Cardiff Council for their setting-up of the hubs. The two libraries in Llanishen and Llandaff North, which have been developed as hubs—developed very sensitively, very bright, very attractive, and really are an excellent place for older people to go. And then I was very pleased to visit, with the Minister, the independent living centre where we saw some of the technology that Lee Waters said in his speech—. Where, in fact, technology is being used in this centre where you can monitor if somebody gets up or if somebody opens the window, and this is happening here in Cardiff very effectively. And that was quite an inspiring visit, I thought, and I'm sure the Minister would agree—Minister, that's right. Thank you very much for squeezing me in.