Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 6:14 pm on 27 February 2018.
Absolutely. I think the answer is through great ambition and determination and by showing strong leadership. It's certainly the case—if I can identify one example in London, where the development of the cycle highway over Westminster Bridge I think probably met with furious objections from some motorists, but actually it's proven to be hugely successful in getting more people to cycle to places of work. It's proven to be incredibly successful in improving, I think, cycling safety as well. So, perhaps that shows the way for other local authorities in Wales to operate—to be ambitious, to be bold and to be brave as well in the face of criticism whilst proposals are being worked up.