I don't know whether they recycle plastic pellets to make heating, but if they could put them into the system here and warm the Chamber up, that would be great. 

Minister, I'm sorry I missed you in Merthyr yesterday. I wanted to welcome your announcement, particularly the nearly £1.3 million that you've announced to invest in specialist machinery equipment in Merthyr, including a recycling rebaler. I'd love to go down and see what that actually does. 

What I would say is I think Welsh Government has in particular reflected the public concerns around the levels of plastic in the environment. We've heard the contributions today about the plastics deposit scheme and that's already been well covered, but clearly we can achieve more through increasing our plastic recycling rates. But, as we know, there are some plastics that we're not currently recycling, simply because the food industry or consumer preferences prevent us from doing so. Both of those are matters that public policy can actually influence.

There are also some plastics like the cellophane covers that are not generally accepted in our current recycling systems, yet other EU countries do collect and recycle that material. While concerns have been expressed over the decision taken in China on not receiving plastic, doesn't that also present us with an opportunity to greatly increase our own domestic plastic recycling sector?

There's a common perception that the plastics industry is a problem, but it does seem to me that we should be working alongside the industry to invest in the plant technology that can take us further on our recycling journey, so that those plastics currently not recycled can be. If we can develop plant technologies, then surely those could be exported to help those parts of the world where, as we’ve heard, plastics and recycling are a far greater challenge than they are here.

So my question, really, is how do you think we could work alongside the plastics industry, which we have to assume are experts in that particular product, to help develop further and innovative ways of helping our plastics recycling?