7. Welsh Conservatives debate: Ministerial reshuffle: the Permanent Secretary's report

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:23 pm on 28 February 2018.

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Photo of Lee Waters Lee Waters Labour 4:23, 28 February 2018

I never wanted to have a role in this story. Carl Sargeant was a valued colleague of mine and I remain deeply upset about his death. But as my name has been mentioned, I believe I should give my own account. I am certain in my own mind that the text message I received was gossip on the day of a reshuffle. As Andrew R.T. Davies has accepted in his opening speech, there's often chatter around the reshuffle and that's how I treated the text. It was not from an official source and, in fact, I didn't treat it seriously until I saw the statement Carl himself issued later that day. I didn't pass on what I heard to any journalist, but told my colleagues at the first opportunity of the text message I received and I gave evidence to the leak inquiry as requested. As I said, I never wanted a role in any of this, and I believe I've acted properly.

There have been calls for me to say who sent me the text message. I have not done so and I will not do so, because I don't wish to contribute to a trail of breadcrumbs that can lead to the identification of any of the people who came forward. I understand the frustration that more information from the report has not been published, but I think it is right that the full leak inquiry report will now be considered by the independent inquiry. It will be for Paul Bowen QC to weigh the significance of all this and judge whether the way this information was handled is relevant to the events that followed.

The opposition parties are pushing for a redacted version of the report to be published, but even a redacted version poses a risk that the anonymity of the complainants will be jeopardised. And, Llywydd, the women have been forgotten in all of this. We will never be able to fairly test their allegations. That is neither fair on them, nor fair on Carl. But at the very least, let's not make the situation worse by directly, or indirectly, threatening their right to anonymity. This whole tragedy has become the subject of political game playing and I want no part in it. There are two more inquiries, and an inquest, yet to report. These processes need to be allowed to complete. Diolch.