7. Welsh Conservatives debate: Ministerial reshuffle: the Permanent Secretary's report

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:16 pm on 28 February 2018.

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Photo of Llyr Gruffydd Llyr Gruffydd Plaid Cymru 4:16, 28 February 2018

It's a broader point that I'll conclude with about the ministerial code and its relationship, or actually its non-relationship, with the code of conduct for Assembly Members and the role of the standards commissioner. It's been said before: many of us feel it isn't right that the First Minister is judge, jury and executioner when it comes to the ministerial code. My fear on this is that there will always be, when you have a hirer and firer in charge, an element of politics and personalisation, which could get in the way of some of these processes. I'm not saying it happens all the time, I'm not saying it's at the forefront of those considerations, but it's there. Maybe way back in the background, maybe subconsciously, the risk is—and it's a real risk—that it is there. So, we have two parallel regimes, one presided over, as I say, by the hirer and firer, which is bound to carry some of that personalised context and political context, and another that is wholly independent, which is our own code of conduct as Assembly Members and the standards commissioner. I would much prefer that we had one standards regime for all of us.

The standards committee is actually revisiting the code of conduct following recent events and we're already, after just one evidence session, getting a clear message back from a number of external organisations and interested stakeholders that the current landscape is confused, it's complicated. Where do you go? Do you go to the standards commissioner? Is it in relation to the code of conduct? Do you go to the First Minister's office? Is it in relation to the ministerial code? Is it a party-political issue? Expecting complainants to navigate their way through all of that makes it, of course, much less likely that those people with genuine concerns and complaints actually pursue them. That's the last thing, I'm sure, we'd all want. So, what message is withholding this report sending out to those people and other people? Is it right that we have a regime where the First Minister is effectively asking the questions and answering his own questions? I don't believe it is. If Carwyn Jones has nothing to hide then he should have nothing to fear from publishing that report.