Well, we look forward to that because I'm sure there will be an opportunity to re-consider these issues at that time.

Maybe you could respond to this. Would you agree that it's a good idea to have a period where we can observe the BBC's delivery of its commitments on the portrayal of Wales? Because I believe that these proposals, and the proposals at a UK level for the regulation of the radio market, need to be scrutinised to some extent before we look again at the devolution of broadcasting. Because it is a matter of discussing these issues once again, isn't it? I have no problem with the content of the Government amendment, but if it's passed, then it will replace our amendment 2. That amendment, like point 6 in the original motion, talks about time frames. In reality, I'm not too concerned about a particular time frame, but there is virtue in nailing the Welsh Government to a timetable to formulate a report so that we can resolve this question. I remain to be convinced that devolution will resolve the problems with public service broadcasting, as some people would hope it would. That's why amendment 2 talks about 'viability', rather than the 'feasibility' in the original motion.

We have discussed the financial implications many times before. The complaint is that the UK Government underspends on public service broadcasting in Wales, particularly S4C. The Welsh Government, who also complain that it's being underfunded, will somehow find enough money to put this right. I don't think that transferring the statutory functions from DCMS to the Welsh Government will make a significant difference, and we will see nothing more than a different Government saying that their proposals are sufficient. We agree with the Minister's views, as set out in amendment 4.

In terms of ITV Cymru Wales, I'm not criticising the quality of their work in saying this, but it appears to me that the Wales-only licence has done nothing at all to deal with the issue of the reduction in hours. In a multiplatform world, there's a question as to whether these well-known private companies will be seeking licences with public service obligations if Welsh Governments of the future are too directive in their approach. Should we be concerned about that? Well, that's a question we need to consider.

The situation is different with the BBC, of course. It is funded through the taxpayer and everyone can be sure that this Parliament will be scrutinising the BBC and its new commitments for the nations and regions. The Welsh Conservatives have regularly asked for joint accountability as referred to in the Government amendment, and the culture committee has already taken full advantage of this situation, despite our lack of financial responsibility over that particular organisation.

Would devolving broadcasting help us to understand our devolved nation better? Well, I'm not sure. From what I see at the moment, Wales still doesn't fully understand devolution after 19 years. Is that because our broadcasters in Wales are misleading or misrepresenting what is happening here? I don't believe so. The heart of the problem is that people in Wales choose to receive their news and current affairs from media from outwith Wales, over many platforms. This is where they don't hear about Wales, they don't see Wales being represented and enjoyed—with the usual exceptions of Doctor Who, and so on—and they don't enjoy programmes produced in Wales.

Would devolution change that situation? I'm not sure. It's already a multiplatform world, and my fear is that devolution would give an excuse to the media in London to ignore us entirely in all forms. That will do nothing to help the rest of the UK to understand devolution. It will do nothing to inform the many people in Wales who don't choose Welsh media to receive information. I'm not sure that this would lead to an improvement of the situation under the devolution of broadcasting. That's my view. Thank you.