Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 3:56 pm on 7 March 2018.
Thanks to the Chair for her statement this afternoon. I'd also like to thank the committee staff for helping to arrange the inquiry and the witnesses that have so far appeared before us. I think we're all in broad agreement that we want the Assembly to be a welcoming environment for everyone who wants to work here. That includes people of different genders, of different ethnicities and different sexual orientations. In the UKIP group, we have had a wide variety of people working for us and hopefully our group room and the Members' offices have been and still are a welcoming working environment for them.
Of course, we recognise that issues can arise. Problems can rear their heads in the relationships between people who work at the Assembly and it's crucial that there is a clear path for people who feel that they are being harassed, victimised, persecuted, bullied or simply intimidated. There has to be a clear guideline of how to proceed with a complaint. And there has to be certainty in the mind of the complainant that the complaint will be dealt with robustly and that the making of the complaint won't have any adverse effect on the complainant's career.
There also needs to be clarity over processes and I think the previous two speakers have raised several issues over that. Paul Davies brought in the aspect that most AMs are also members of political parties, so to some extent you have to bring the political parties on board and their processes have to dovetail with any Assembly process. So, I was glad to hear that the commissioner is working with the different parties. Hopefully we'll soon hear the outcome of that.
Llyr raised the other very relevant point that there is a danger of different parallel processes creating confusion. For instance, you've got the political parties, which can carry out their own investigation, you have the Assembly investigation, and then, of course, the point that Llyr mentioned: if the AM is also a Minister, you've also got the ministerial code. I think it can get confusing with all of these different processes. Now, I know that you just stated that the ministerial code isn't in our remit as the standards committee, so I wonder if you think that does pose a problem in our efforts to get one clear and transparent code for the Assembly. Is there a case that, in some sense, our policy is going to have to encompass in some aspects the ministerial code and dovetail with that?