And I would agree with you on that, and I think that's what I was coming onto, as Jenny has mentioned earlier: where we can, try and put policies in place so that they are not put into prison, and whether they're in different types of centres that are developed here in Wales is something that I know you and others—in Plaid especially—have been advocating for many years, and especially with regard to family relationships. It's often the case, although not in all circumstances, that the mother is the main carer of a child, and if they are sent as far away as possible from, say, the Rhondda, to somewhere in the middle of England, well, that's not going to facilitate that relationship that they have with that child. And so I think that's why it's integral that we look at the issues surrounding women and the support that we give to women.

I did want to add a little to bit to this speech that I haven't written today, in that I've had a personal experience recently of being—. My husband's flat was burgled last year, and his court date is imminent. I have a different view to him as to how he should potentially be punished. And what I think is important—this person, I think, is a repeat offender—is how that person can realise what he does, and how the victims' voices are heard. I think the cost to ourselves financially has been enormous, but the cost emotionally is enormous. When you realise that somebody's come into your home at 2 o'clock in the morning to steal your property and to steal your car, it's something that you can't quite get to grips with unless you've been through it. I think what's important is, potentially, more schemes for offenders to meet with victims, as is the case, potentially, in other circumstances, for them to really, really understand how that, perhaps, one piece of jewellery or that one watch might not mean anything to them, but might mean something sentimental to the person that they've engaged with. So, I don't really advocate throwing away the key, but I really do advocate, as Jenny mentioned earlier, looking at rehabilitation, trying to make people understand that what they're doing is going to turn lives around and to try and encourage them to follow a better path in the future.

I close by reminding Members that Wales is blessed with a unique opportunity here—with a blank slate, in many respects. Just as we discussed welfare reform and the necessary ways we should really have some control over welfare reform, we can do things differently here in Wales. Just because England wants to build superprisons does not mean that Wales has to follow its path. We can lead on this agenda. We can show that we can do things better and differently. Much of this has to do with our social environment, poverty. If we can look at anti-poverty initiatives, if we can get people out of the situations they're in, from the outset, they may not then resort to taking part in these types of offences, and therefore they will not be affecting people like me, or somebody down the road who will tonight experience the same thing that I did last year and be put into that anxiety. We can be positive about what we can do here in Wales and I hope that the Minister will be able to reflect that in his response.