I add my thanks to Bethan's thanks to Hefin for bringing the debate today. When we did look at different Members' debates on the Business Committee I was quite keen that we had this debate, so I'm pleased we're having it. I think it is scandalous that these fairly arbitrary charges can be imposed without much in the way of consultation, transparency or the right of legal challenge. As a couple of the contributors have mentioned, it seems to be part of a patchwork quilt of charges that are involved in running households. We had the recent debates, as mentioned, on freeholds and leaseholds and unadopted roads. So, it is part of this whole tapestry of arbitrary charges that people sometimes have to pay, and it's a pity in some ways that we can't just tie them up together in one big Bill. But, of course, that would be constitutionally too difficult. 

A couple of the points that are very pertinent are the fact that we may need to be mindful of what the UK Government legislates on these points, otherwise you could have disparities in the housing market, and you've referred to that in point 2(c) of your motion. And the other major issue is the legal challenge and the fact that the freeholders don't have the appeal process, which you've tackled in point 1 of your motion.

So, it's a good motion. If these points can all be taken on board, with some kind of legislation in Wales, we could have a good outcome. It could strengthen the rights of freeholders and make the rights of freeholders in this area uniform between England and Wales, which I think would probably be the best solution, if we can achieve it. So, we in the UKIP group agree with today's motion, and hopefully today's debate can be the beginning of some meaningful action to resolve this problem. Thank you.