Group 2: Scrutiny by the National Assembly for Wales (Amendments 5, 13, 19, 2)

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:11 pm on 24 April 2018.

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Photo of David Melding David Melding Conservative 5:11, 24 April 2018

Oh, lord. I mean, there are times when you think you're in Lewis Carroll's sort of wonderland. So, we heard from the Minister that post-legislative scrutiny is a good idea, but we shouldn't say so, certainly not in this Bill. She is quite happy for it to happen but is concerned about anything being made a legislative requirement because of the effect that would have on the future exercise of the legislature's prerogative.

Well, I think one way of testing that would be not to whip your colleagues on this particular point. But I don't think for a minute you're going to do that, because you're doing this as a matter of Executive convenience. You shouldn't hide behind this, 'Oh, yes. We think post-legislative scrutiny is fine in principle but never in actual practice'. It should be in this Bill. The Law Commission says that we should see post-legislative scrutiny as a routine part of significant law making on areas of real public importance. And it's a pity that you're not able to grasp that point this afternoon.

Then we have similar absurd contradictions on the requirement to lay directions here in the Assembly: 'Trust us as a Government, these are all routine administrative matters'—the Minister used the term 'administrative' this afternoon. Well, this is how parliamentary democracy works, Minister. We scrutinise the Government's actions, we decide if they're just merely administrative and don't have wider public concerns; it's our job to do that. It is nothing like an onerous obligation for you to lay these directions in the Assembly and not just publish them on the Welsh Government website. If they need to be published there, they need to be laid here. I move the amendments.