8. Plaid Cymru Debate:– The European Union (Withdrawal) Bill and devolution

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:35 pm on 2 May 2018.

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Photo of Carwyn Jones Carwyn Jones Labour 4:35, 2 May 2018

(Translated)

Can I deal with the point raised by Llyr Gruffydd? It's a very important point. There are two important things here: first of all, where the powers lie, and secondly, where the funding is. That is something that hasn’t been resolved yet. My view is that what the UK Government should do is to ensure that there is funding put to one side and that that should be provided to the Governments and Parliaments of Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland at the same level as is currently provided. In my view, it cannot be Barnettised. If it is Barnettised, then the formula would ensure that we would lose 75 per cent or 80 per cent of the funding that we currently receive. That is something that we have to continue to discuss and to resolve. It would be entirely unfair to Wales if there were less funding provided to Wales and to Welsh farmers, and that would never be something we would agree to. But that is something that is part of other negotiations, rather than discussions on this Bill, I would argue.