6. Statement by the Cabinet Secretary for Energy, Planning and Rural Affairs: The Future of Land Management

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:07 pm on 8 May 2018.

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Photo of Lesley Griffiths Lesley Griffiths Labour 5:07, 8 May 2018

Thank you, Paul Davies, for those comments and questions.

I think you're absolutely right: it is about getting the right balance, and so that was why I started right at the beginning to have the stakeholder group, and I did pay tribute to them. I'm very grateful for their input and those meetings are always a really good discussion, and certainly the sub-groups that have broken out from that stakeholder group have been incredibly helpful in getting where we are now and will continue to be very important going forward.

You're right, we will be going out to consultation. I mentioned we'll be launching the consultation document at the beginning of July. I think it's very important to get it out there ahead of the Royal Welsh Show and the other summer shows where I, myself, my officials and front-line staff will be able to talk to many farmers and foresters and, obviously, people working for environmental organisations.

You asked what sort of things we were considering ahead of the consultation. So, in relation to public goods, I think it's very important that we continue to look at reducing ongoing carbon emissions and we're able to increase carbon sequestration. I want to continue to, obviously, manage water supply, improve water quality, improve air quality, look at our landscape and our heritage, and I'm also very keen to look at health and access and education opportunities.

Food production will come under economic resilience and, again, alongside that, we'll be looking at support for sustainable improvement, particularly around precision agriculture and support for diversification. I've seen some excellent examples of diversification: I was up in Pennal last Thursday where I saw probably one of the best hydroelectricity schemes I've seen on a farm, and what really struck me was that that was there. Okay, it needed somebody to come along and innovate and put in the scheme, but that water was there, and now we've got this fantastic hydro scheme. So, it's about supporting diversification also. 

I think, in relation to future funding, you're right, we have had that assurance that the funding is there until 2022, and we've made it very clear that that funding will be available to the sector up until 2022. But, after that, we have no idea what funding we will be getting. So, you'll be aware of the quadrilateral meetings that I have—we've got one on Monday in Edinburgh—we keep inviting the Chief Secretary to the Treasury to come along; unfortunately, she's not been able to do so yet. But it has to be a standing item because we need to know what's there from 2022. But that funding will be available. Although I've only stated what will happen up until 2020, that amount of funding will be available until 2022. But we need to look at how we then, obviously, support our farmers and land managers.

It is about making our agricultural sector as resilient as possible for what's going to come. One of the things we've been doing—we did it with the dairy sector last year—we had some European funding that we used to benchmark so that dairy farmers could see how resilient they were and where they needed to improve. I'd be very keen—I am very keen—to do it for sheep and beef as well, and I'm looking to see if I can access some funding to do that. So, those are the sort of things that we're doing to assist.

You mentioned 'The future of land management in Wales' report from the Climate Change, Environment and Rural Affairs Committee, and there were some very interesting recommendations in there, which my officials and I are currently considering. Again, there were some recommendations that don't actually fit specifically into land management policy, but I thought the report was certainly very good. 

In relation to regulation, I mentioned that this is really our opportunity—it's a big opportunity—to look at the full range of available measures we have for a future regulatory regime, and that, obviously, includes regulation, it includes investments, and it also includes voluntary approaches. Again, we need to have a look at who they will apply to. They will apply to all land managers, obviously, but we need to look at that going forward. There are still existing regulations currently in force that must be complied to, and I think everybody recognises that.

In relation to legislation, I've always made it very clear we would have our own Wales agricultural policy, but I mentioned that I'm keeping all options open in relation to the UK agriculture Bill. Unfortunately, we haven't had a draft shared with us, which we had hoped to have had by this time, but it hasn't been shared. So, again, we will ask on Monday.

Workforce is incredibly important because I'm sure, like myself, you've been told that a lot of EU nationals work in the sector and there's a huge amount of concern, not just from land managers and farmers, but also from processing plants. So, it's a conversation that I'm having and also other ministerial colleagues are having in relation to Brexit discussions. But it is a huge area of concern.

I absolutely agree with you, and I'm glad you picked up what I said around communities and the Welsh language and how important—. The Welsh language within agriculture—it's the most used by any sector, the agricultural sector. And another lesson I learned in New Zealand was, when they had that cliff edge and that huge change to their way of life in New Zealand back in 1984, they lost a lot of communities because farms became much bigger. So, therefore, the communities had huge upheaval, and I'm very keen that that doesn't happen here in Wales.