Can I say I welcome this report and the Welsh Government's commitment to a wider plastics strategy? We've been calling for this for some time. I think a UK approach to many of the policy levers to manage plastic waste and increase recycling is definitely the best way forward, although there are initiatives we can take as well, as was indicated in what the Minister said about the renewed ambition of the Government. And retailers and producers tend to favour approaches that are on a UK basis for, I think, reasons that we can understand. 

If I can look at a deposit-return scheme first, and it's interesting that this is now widely favoured, I think. The public are ahead of us, as they are on many of these issues, and the report demonstrates that a 90 per cent plus recycling rate could be achieved in this area. Also—this was very important in the report—high-quality data would be created on recycling rates by the formality of such a scheme. But my direct question on this is: are you open to an industry-led scheme, though monitored, such as the system in Norway where reported recycling rates have been as high as 97 per cent? I do think it's important that industry is taken along with us and is part of the solution. I think the term 'extended producer responsibility' is appropriate, but, you know, they are partners too, and I think they can be very much part of the solution, as retailers can as well. 

Can I just say on the drinking water initiative and the Refill initiative, I do think this is imaginative? It's remarkable that in our culture we've not had—. If you go to the United States, I remember when I was first a student there just being amazed by the water fountains everywhere—absolutely everywhere—and I think we only have one water fountain in the Assembly building, Llywydd. Sorry, I'm not here to question you. [Laughter.] Oh, there are two; I'm sorry. But this sort of scheme, or encouraging people to use reusable bottles and having points where they can go into places around town where they can be refilled, I think that's excellent and that's definitely part of the solution. 

I do believe wider interventions are needed on plastic waste, and as the report points out, only a quarter of 1 per cent—this is amazingly low—of single-use plastic cups are recycled, and they are a significant source of litter. And I would say here that there is consumer responsibility for a lot of it—not all that litter would be because of consumers, but a lot of it would be. So, I think we need to remember that. 

Seventy two million single-serve sachets are used in Wales each year and, Minister, I'm so old that you won't remember these times, but when I was brought up it was completely normal for condiments to come in bottles and pots, and then you suddenly entered this world of often unopenable plastic sachets where what's inside them suddenly squirts where perhaps you don't want it go. [Laughter.] It is a preposterous world where we are reduced to that indignity, and so bring back the ketchup bottles and the like of salt and pepper pots, that's what I say. [Interruption.]  I heard Dai Lloyd was keen to back me in all this change to the past, as it were. 

The Welsh Government has extensive powers through regulations and guidance, as the report says, to control and reduce packaging in restaurants and takeaways in Wales, and I do think that might be an area to look at. Again, I think there would be a lot of public support, but again we would want to work with the outlets. I hope that you will have something to say on that fairly soon.

I was pleased to hear what you said about the Welsh Government practising what it preaches, of course, in terms of its consumption of plastics. A plastic-free July, of course, is nearly upon us. I'm pleased to say that 19 people have signed my statement of opinion to widely recognise that, and I do hope the Welsh Government will be doing that too.

Can I finally say that the report makes interesting points on the quality of data and I think these need to be followed up? I particularly note that Wales's adjusted municipal solid waste recycling rate is 52.2 per cent, or 11.6 per cent below the published figure. I know that's because of the form of calculation—I'm not in any way suggesting anything underhand here—but I think that, as we drive towards zero waste, we do need data that is fully robust, transparent and capable of comparison with other nations. But, broadly, I do welcome what you said this afternoon.