What would need to be addressed is online and tv advertising, because that's where a lot of gambling comes from now. For a long time, it hasn't been possible to advertise tobacco on tv. For a long time, it hasn't been possible to advertise alcohol on tv. And yet, gambling advertising has increased. If we're saying that, for many people, gambling is an addition, as alcohol and tobacco can be for some people, why is it the case that gambling advertising has gone up? For example, there were 152,000 adverts in 2006 but 1.3 million adverts shown in 2012—and those figures are already six years old.

Anybody who watches any kind of sporting event will notice the invitations for people to put a bet on there and then about who's going to score the next goal in the second half, who's going to score the next try, what the final score will be. It has the potential to cause huge addiction. So, if we look at gambling, we have to look at what happens in terms of internet regulation, what happens in terms of broadcasting. So, it does impact on other areas. By far, to my mind, the easiest way of dealing with regulating gambling is to do it on a UK-wide basis, but certainly one of the things that I would want to look at in the future is what would we look to do in Wales that takes us beyond the powers we were given in the 2017 Act, which now appear not to be worth anything.