Thanks to the Conservatives for bringing today's debate. We broadly support what they're calling for today. The motion itself is a little vague, but it does refer us to their White Paper, 'Liveable Cities'. The White Paper is interesting and it focuses on, among other things, the nitty-gritty areas of transport and housing, to which I think they should have also added the related issue of employment. And Oscar Asghar in his contribution just mentioned that issue, so clearly you're aware that that is part of the tapestry you're trying to weave here as well.

You do cover a lot of policy areas in 'Liveable Cities', so I will have to confine myself to commenting on just a few of the areas that you go into. There are proposals relating to undeveloped land becoming parkland, anti-littering initiatives, a plastics ban—all pretty good stuff that we, again, would broadly support—and then there is the encouragement of more cycle routes and more walking. Well, we would all here generally tend to support that kind of aspiration, but the problem is how we achieve it.

The Welsh Government have their own active travel programme that aims to expedite these very things, but the problem is actually turning fine objectives into meaningful action. Cycling was just mentioned in the last contribution. With cycling, there is a problem of space, as Oscar mentioned. Cyclists don't want to ride on busy roads for the very reasons that were just described: the danger of too much traffic on the roads and also heavy goods vehicles among them, which I believe Simon Thomas mentioned earlier today—possibly in this debate. So, because of these issues, cyclists often tend to take to the pavements—understandably so.

Cycle paths in cities tend to merge with footpaths, so then then cyclists are mixing with pedestrians. I do a 50-minute walk to work every day, and back, along a route that is also used as a cycle path. As a pedestrian, I do actually object to having to be put at risk by cyclists who are going too fast without using bells. [Interruption.] I couldn't hear that, Jenny. I do agree with the aim of getting more people cycling, but I don't really, if I'm honest, actually want to be sharing the footpath with them.