Diolch, Llywydd. Can I thank UKIP for bringing forward this debate this afternoon? I move the amendment, which has been tabled in the name of my colleague Paul Davies, on the order paper.

I listened very carefully to what Michelle Brown had to say, and I have to say, I agree with a lot of what you said in terms of the need to make sure that we have those jobs here in Wales for people who exit their university courses to be able to go into. Because we've got some very startling statistics, actually, on the brain drain, with tens of thousands more graduates leaving Wales than actually staying in Wales—a net loss, just between 2013 and 2016, of over 20,000 students, which is a huge, huge number, and we want to retain that talent. Forty per cent of the graduates who stay in Wales for work are in non-graduate jobs as well, which I think is also a tragedy, because, of course, they're not putting to use the skills and the knowledge that they're learning while they're in those universities.

So, we certainly need to do more, but it's not just about creating jobs, it's about making sure that we've got courses that are also attractive to employers, which are giving people the right knowledge base and giving people the skills that those employers want. Because, of course, we are receiving people in from other universities from outside Wales who are coming to work here, and welcome as they are, it would be great to have our home-grown talent going into those jobs. So, we know we've got to do more. Seventy-two per cent of businesses that were surveyed back in 2015 said that they found it really difficult, actually, to get people with the right skills when they went to the marketplace looking for individuals. So, clearly, there's a mismatch between what is being delivered by our education system more widely and the skills that our businesses actually need. 

Further education colleges seem to do a better job, actually, of getting that match right, and that's perhaps because of the stronger links that they have within their local and regional economies with businesses. I think that those sorts of strengths within the further education sector perhaps need to be more evidenced in the university sector, in the way that they engage with businesses. I know, to be fair to Universities Wales and the universities that we have here, that there is some good work going on with the private sector in terms of trying to ensure that they're meeting people's needs, but, clearly, the evidence suggests that that work isn't paying the dividends that it needs to. 

So, in terms of the STEM subjects, I was very pleased to note the reference in the UKIP motion to the need to provide free courses for medical and nursing students. One of the things that my party put forward in our last Assembly manifesto, actually, was that there ought to be some sort of bursary scheme for medical students. Of course, we supported the continuation of the nursing bursary scheme as well here in Wales, but you've got to make sure there's a return on that investment for the Welsh taxpayer. So, one thing that we wouldn't like to do is just give that cash and allow them to do the courses and then go and work elsewhere. So, there's got to be an opportunity to retain them again within the Welsh NHS so that we can get some return for the taxpayer, and that's why we've tabled the amendments in the way that we've tabled them today. 

Just in terms of apprenticeships, we've made reference to level 6 apprenticeships in our motion. One of the things that I think is a growing disparity in Wales versus England is that there are a huge number of level 6 apprenticeship courses available over the border that people can access. For some reason, we've been very slow to provide those opportunities for people here in Wales, and we know that those higher level apprenticeships are things that employers are looking for. So, I would be grateful, Cabinet Secretary, if in your response to this debate you could just tell us what particularly the Welsh Government is doing to expand the provision of level 6 apprenticeships. We've done a very good job, to be fair, in Wales in terms of creating those other apprenticeships at level 4, but in terms of getting those up to level 6 and 7, I think we've got a lot more work to do. 

So, in closing, I would urge people in this Chamber to recognise the good stuff that is going on, but just to err on the side of some caution on the lack of engagement, really, between the private sector and the university sector, and the fact that there can be much more focused work on that in order to make sure that our universities are producing the graduates that can go on then to work in Welsh businesses so that we can retain that talent and not suffer from the brain drain that we've suffered in recent years.