I'm moved to contribute briefly to this debate by the comments made by the leader of Plaid Cymru that she had her own cunning plan, two years ago, to create a campaign and approached the First Minister to do so. I have no knowledge of that conversation, but I'm surprised that it's taken her two years to reveal this cunning plan.

I would say this: she and I both sat on the steering committee in 2011 of the Yes for Wales cross-party devolution campaign, and it was hard enough in that campaign to get civil society and the churches and charities that she talked about to work together in any effective, meaningful way, and I was on that committee partly as a representative of civil society. It's a seductive fantasy, I think, that she's basing this argument on. Since then, the lobbying Act has been passed, which put the fear of God into charitable organisations that they could take part in a referendum campaign. I was part of some early conversations, about nine months before the referendum, with a loose group of civil society organisations to see if there was some appetite to do something similar for the EU referendum, and there really wasn't any will to do it. I'm as critical as anybody of the 'remain' campaign and as frustrated as she is in the result, but it is a seductive fallacy to suggest that the result that happened could've been saved had we all come together on a campaign.