The trade unions were bound by the same legislation. Of course it's about leadership and of course there are questions for us all to answer about the way that that referendum was conducted, and the timing of it was clearly unfortunate, but I think this is fantasy politics. And also, it misunderstands the depth of feeling amongst her own constituents about what that referendum was about. 'If only a couple of well-meaning worthies came together and got a little campaign going, all would've been well'; I wish that were so. I really don't believe it is so. I'm surprised it's taken her two years to reveal that and I think it's dangerous thinking to try and dig this up now, to try and score political points to suggest that she had the answer all along. It's nonsense.

I would say, the leaders of that Brexit vote, the foreign Secretary, David Davis and Liam Fox, are the ones now leading this negotiation to follow through the words that we all said were nonsense, but we should be holding them to account. The White Paper that we negotiated jointly between Labour and Plaid Cymru was a good moment, I think, in us looking at our common interests and I'm sorry that we're now starting to turn on each other. We should be turning our fire on the Tories who made promises we knew they wouldn't keep. And, instead of coming up with fantasy—I'm finishing at this point—with fantasy versions of history that all would've been well, I think, come on, we need to do better than that and turn our fire on those people who made promises that are now falling apart.