I'm grateful to the Conservative spokesperson for those questions. Can I say first of all that I did read the response of the Bevan Foundation? I actually enjoyed it. I thought it was a very good response, actually. I thought it was very well articulated, and I thought it made some very fair points. Can I say more than anything that I share the same frustration? I want to see a greater tempo of change. I want to see a greater tempo of delivering very real change to the communities that I represent and elsewhere. I think it's right and proper that that sense of impatience underpins a lot of our debate and much of what we say. I don't believe for one moment, and I don't seek to make any claims, that all in the garden is rosy, and I don't seek to make any claims that we have, in a little more than 18 months, turned around nearly a century of decline. I think it would be absurd were I to come to the Chamber and make those claims, and I think it would be absurd were the Government to seek to make those claims on our behalf. That's not what we are saying. In my statement, I said we were planting the seeds for sustainable transformation, and that is what we are seeking to do.

I reject any claim that we're not being ambitious enough. When I look at projects such as the landscape park, I look at something that is really transformational, and transformational in the sense of not simply putting investment in infrastructure or in a particular industrial complex, but inspirational in the way that we regard ourselves and our communities. One of the real tragedies of recent years is that too many people in the Valleys feel that there is very little hope for the future. We need to turn that around, and we need to turn that around not simply by making the physical investments that we need to be able to do—and we must do, and we will do—but also by investing in our people, our culture, our heritage and our environment. The landscape park brings together all of those different aspects of what we're seeking to achieve, and seeks to package it in a way that transforms not just the physical expression of who we are, but a cultural understanding of who we are as well. I think that speaks to the ambition of what we seek to achieve.

Now, I understand the debates about whether Taff's Well or Nantgarw are 'Valleys' enough. Are they deep enough into a particular Valley or not? Are they in the Valleys at all? I have to say that it's not a debate I intend to join, either this afternoon or at any point.

I think the more fundamental point that was made by the Bevan Foundation is more important, and that is the importance of investment in the Heads of the Valleys area and parts of the upper Valleys region where there are more significant and deep-seated problems and difficulties. For those of us who campaigned for the dualling of the A465—the Heads of the Valleys road—something like a decade ago now, we did that not to build a bypass past our communities, but to create an opportunity for real connectivity between the Heads of the Valleys area and the wider economy. What we saw that as being was a means of developing an industrial strategy for the Heads of the Valleys. I've already held one seminar on how we do that and how we maximise the advantage of that investment, and we'll be returning to that in September, because, for me, what is important is that we put in place the investments that we need to put in place to create sustainable and well-paid employment, but we also put in place the investments to ensure that that employment and that way of living is sustainable for the future. So, certainly we will not be living with deprivation. We do not wish to live with deprivation, and I'll say to the Conservative Member for North Wales that I see deprivation all too often when I return to my constituency after my duties here. I am impatient to change that. That is why I came into politics in the first place, and that is what I and this Government seek to do.