Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:43 pm on 17 July 2018.
Can I thank David Rowlands for his contribution, for his questions and for his observations? First of all, I should say that complaints concerning rail services are due to many factors, and whilst I would agree that many of those factors relate to the network, they also relate to the management of services as well, and I don't think poor performance should be attributed solely to responsibilities that could be passed on to Network Rail. That said, as I outlined in my statement, there is a serious problem with the creaking rail infrastructure in Wales, where we still have, in some parts, Victorian manual signalling, and where we have 200 road closures every single day because of road crossings, and this is simply not acceptable. So, whilst I take the point that complaints are, in part, due to rail infrastructure, I would also again reiterate the point that many complaints concern the actual management of services.
In terms of HS2, well, the Member is right to highlight the extraordinary cost of HS2, but it is worth saying that, whilst the infrastructure itself will be purely located in England, it will also serve passengers, businesses and regional economies in Wales. I highlighted the figure earlier of the potential benefit of HS2 to the region's economies, particularly north Wales, where places like Flintshire could see an increase in output of more than £30 million; likewise Denbighshire. Wrexham could see an increase in output of more than £17 million; likewise places such as Conwy; and other parts of north Wales would also see—if the right solution is applied at Crewe—significant improvements in the performance of their respective economies. But it's also essential that we don't look at HS2 in isolation from other rail infrastructure.
Whilst I remain supportive of HS2, I remain deeply concerned that a business case for a £30 million programme was given the go-ahead, and I would say that perhaps you wouldn't be given the go-ahead for a business case unless you were minded to ultimately approve a project, and that Crossrail 2 programme would consume a vast amount of investment for a region that has already benefited considerably from Crossrail 1 and many other service enhancements. So, it's absolutely vital we don't look at HS2 in isolation, but that we also reflect on the wider investment across the UK, which, sadly, as I've pointed out, has been all too often concentrated in the south-east.
I think it's important to distinguish between the difference of views and opinions that I have with the Secretary of State concerning the re-mapping of services. He's not minded to agree with me on that. However, with regard to the infrastructure enhancements, the actual projects that he has identified himself are those that Professor Barry has been carrying out work on; and so, as a consequence, they are the most likely projects to get the go-ahead from the Department for Transport. I believe our role is in building the case for each of those projects to make it irresistible for UK Government to carry out the investment that we require.