I'm slightly puzzled by the conclusion to Michelle Brown's speech. I had understood that she supported the general principles of the Bill at the committee, but clearly has given it more and more thought or perhaps consulted with colleagues over the summer and will now be voting against them.

However, it's equally if not even more difficult to understand where the Minister is on this. I was looking forward to hearing him today juggling between his two hats, (1) as the Minister who supports limiting this to working parents, and (2) as the leadership contender whose main policy was to open this up to everyone and to ensure that the poorest families would benefit. However, he's resolved the situation by having ended his leadership campaign prior to coming here. In many ways, that's a shame. But I think there is a puzzle to this Bill, because it seems to me that Labour members are keen in general that the children's commissioner, what she says—that the benefit should go to the lowest earning families, yet they have a Bill that specifically excludes them from it—or large numbers of them from it—by saying, 'This help can only go to working parents.'

The Minister says in his report on page 5:

'Welsh Ministers already have the necessary powers to bring forward additional programmes of support as required'.

But I don't believe that that is the case, at least with what we're trying to do with this Bill, which is to have a system where HMRC efficiently, because they've got the systems in place already, checks eligibility. And what we're doing is having a piece of legislation that, whatever Ministers want to do in future, however much money they have, whatever their priorities, whatever the Minister says he believes as a leadership contender—that the legislation will prevent them being able to extend the scheme to non-working parents.

Now, I understand that resources are tight, and I support having this for working parents because I think it will allow more parents, particularly women, after having children disproportionately, to get back into the workforce if that is what they want to do. And I also think that, when we have income tax devolution from next April, there may be some benefit to other spending programmes or even potentially for tax relief, although I doubt that with this Government in charge, because if it does help more people get into the workplace, that will lead to a higher tax yield, potentially, which in turn can fund other programmes. But what I don't understand is why Labour Members and Ministers at least when they have one hat on tell us that they don't support this programme and yet, when they come to this house to argue for it, it's essential that it's working parents only. All the committee is saying is: why not give yourself flexibility if, at some point in the future, you decide that resources allow and you want to extend this to other groups—why not give yourself that flexibility? Yet you come and say that no, you won't do that. [Interruption.] I give way.