7. Debate on Petition P-05-826 — Pembrokeshire says NO!! To the closure of Withybush A&E!

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:50 pm on 26 September 2018.

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Photo of David Rowlands David Rowlands UKIP 5:50, 26 September 2018

Diolch, Dirprwy Lywydd. I shall endeavour—. First of all, I shall thank all those who've taken part in this debate, and, clearly, there are some very serious passions involved with regard to this debate, so I'm going to take a little time and try to repeat some of the things that people have been saying. 

First of all, Paul Davies asked the Cabinet Secretary to intervene and oppose the closure of the A&E department at Withybush, but the decision had already been made, so this could not be a consultation process. He also remarked about the continual erosion of services in Pembrokeshire, and that this could not continue. Rhun ap Iorwerth reiterated Paul Davies's assertion with regard to the downgrading of services, also noting that emergency services are critical to every community. He also mentioned the pressure on the ambulance service due to the centralisation of hospital services. Again, he pointed out a perceived lack of alternative contingencies.

Lee Waters spoke of Hywel Dda's consultation process, and he was pleased that option B was taken rather than option A. Access was key to make any changes work—that's access to hospitals is key to make any changes work. He spoke of using digital communication as offering some solution to increased travel. Angela Burns spoke of the frustration of the 40,000 who signed the petition at not being taken notice of by Hywel Dda over the various so-called consultation processes. And she also spoke of the closure of the A&E at Withybush as being inevitable. 

Mike Hedges spoke of great opposition to the closure of A&E, and pointed out the difficulty of travel in rural areas, especially in Pembrokeshire in the summer months. He also voiced his concern over the sheer size of the area covered by Hywel Dda.

Helen Mary Jones pointed out that there were many who had no confidence in the Hywel Dda board, and spoke of the failure of past promises not being kept, and that her party had alternative proposals that should be looked at before any further actions were taken by Hywel Dda. 

Joyce Watson spoke of the fear of the people affected by the changes, particularly the proposition of community beds. She mentioned shortages of clinical staff as being part of the mix. Do these changes planned make recruitment of doctors and nurses more difficult, and the possibility of having a brand-new hospital in west Wales?

Neil Hamilton mentioned the importance of these matters being comprehensively debated, with the general mix of clinical services moved from east to west, and criticised the complexity of the consultation document. There was no proper alternative to the closure of A&E at Withybush, and no real infrastructure being put in its place.

If I come to the Cabinet Secretary and his response, he says that Hywel Dda deserves respect for their attempts to change the health services across the board, and he spoke of the need to centralise specialist services and specialist clinical staff. And he insisted that there is a need for reform, and that there will be people who will always disagree with what's being proposed. He spoke of the need to have care closer to home and, if possible, in the home.

I think that I've comprehensively covered most people's comments on this, so, again, I thank the Members for their contributions. I promise them that the Petitions Committee will return to consider the petition again at a future meeting, and in doing so we will seek to consider the petitioners' reaction to the points raised today. We will, of course, be giving consideration to the decisions taken today by Hywel Dda health board. So, on behalf of the Petitions Committee, I'm grateful to all Members for their contributions and for the opportunity to debate this matter today. Thank you.