I would respond by agreeing with the Bevan Foundation in their analysis. Clearly, we do need to have that level of understanding of the human impacts of poverty, if we are to address it in a more holistic way. Perhaps I could answer the question with an illustration that is actually within my portfolio, which is in terms of the Valleys taskforce, where we are looking at exactly that range of indicators to understand both the nature of poverty in our communities, but also the tools and levers we have that can best be used to address those issues of poverty. Let me say this: it is important that we are able to attack poverty at its root. That is why we're seeking to both create work, but fair work, and then to ensure that we don't simply address the economic aspects, but we look at all the community, social, family, and cultural aspects of poverty as well, so that we can address poverty in the holistic way that I suspect the Bevan Foundation is seeking to describe, and which I hope the Conservative spokesperson is also seeking to describe.