Thank you, Dirprwy Lywydd. I'll respond to this debate on behalf of my colleague Adam Price, who's one of the persons named in tabling it. I'd like to begin, of course, by thanking all Members for taking part in what has been, I think, a very moving debate. It is not always appropriate for politicians to bring our personal experiences to bear on our politics, but sometimes it very much is, and that was very much the case today. Before I respond to anything that other Members have said, I'd like to thank Dai Lloyd for his contribution. It was very moving, and I also think inspiring. I'm very grateful to you, Dai, for that.

Lynne set out a very powerful case for improvement in services, and set out the inconsistency that families too often have to bear. But Members across the Chamber who've participated have also highlighted that there is some very good practice, and the important thing, I think, is to learn from that. Jayne Bryant's comments about some of the excellent services provided by the third sector, some of the services that are led by the parents—they're very valuable and very important.

Lynne talked about the silence that often surrounds these issues, and other Members have mentioned that. It can be very difficult. Often a miscarriage, for example, is treated as if it isn't a real loss, as if it isn't really a bereavement. But of course, to those parents, that is a real child, of course it is. I think Members have also highlighted—Lynne particularly—the need to provide services for fathers as well as for mothers. Too often, still, no bereavement support is offered, but when it is, too often it is only offered to the mother as if the father has not suffered a loss, and it's very important that we ensure that the loss for both parents and indeed family members and, as others have mentioned, siblings too who can be affected by the loss of a baby—that that is all acknowledged.

I'm grateful to Caroline for making the points about the need for specialist services for women suffering from recurrent miscarriages. The idea that you can simply say to a couple, 'Well, there's some sort of incompatibility here, and you will never be parents and you just have to accept it' is something that I think, in Wales in the twenty-first century, none of us would want to tolerate. I also think the points about further and better training for staff are very well made.

I'm grateful to the Cabinet Secretary for his response and appreciate what he set out in terms of the work that is being done, but I think the evidence that has been presented today, the evidence from the charities that have formed part of the alliance for Baby Loss Awareness Week—and I would briefly wish to thank those organisations for coming together so effectively to help raise these very important and very difficult issues, and I'm certainly looking forward to participating in some of those commemorations with families that Jayne and Lynne and others have mentioned that will take place next week—. 

But I'm sure that the Cabinet Secretary would agree that there is no room for complacency here. I'm very glad to hear him tell us that, through the maternity networks, all services will now have an identified bereavement pathway. I wasn't quite clear from his remarks how long those pathways have been in place. If it's very new, then I think we can look forward, as he said, to hearing an update on how well those services are being delivered. But we do know that there can be a gap between national policy and delivery on the ground, and I'm sure that none of us in this Chamber will tolerate such a gap around such a sensitive issue.

No mother, no father losing a child in Wales should be left alone to deal with that. And we know that that still happens now. Many of us in this Chamber will have family experience. I think we tend to think sometimes of the loss of a baby as something rare. As Lynne and others have pointed out, in fact, that is not the case, and those early days are the most dangerous time for any child in Wales.

So, in conclusion, Deputy Presiding Officer, to repeat my thanks to everybody who's contributed, to thank all those who have spoken out, particularly parents and families who've shared with us the challenges that they faced, to say a huge thank you to all the wonderful people who do provide excellent services, but to say that I look forward to the update from the Cabinet Secretary about the actual delivery of proper psychological counselling services for families everywhere in Wales who experience this, if this is what they want. If one family is left alone in this experience in our health services in Wales, that is one family too many, and that we cannot tolerate. Diolch yn fawr.