8. Plaid Cymru Debate: People's Vote

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:10 pm on 3 October 2018.

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Photo of Lynne Neagle Lynne Neagle Labour 5:10, 3 October 2018

Llywydd, in politics, there is often an easy path and a hard path. If the easy path was always the right way to go, then the job we do here would be simple. In fact, we'd hardly be needed at all. But the reality is that, more often than not, the hard path is also the right way. In an age where a lie can be retweeted 30,000 times before truth has booted up her laptop, that is more true than ever. So, there are some hard things we need to be aware of in this Chamber.

Firstly, Wales voted to leave the European Union. I accept that and I respect that. Secondly, the offer that was made to people at the time of the 2016 referendum is never going to be delivered on. Instead of leaving being 'cost free' and 'the easiest thing ever', it is going to cost the UK a minimum of a £50 billion divorce bill that we will still be paying in 2064. And that is before we even consider the cost now in higher prices and low growth, even before we've left—a cost that the Centre for European Reform estimates at £500 million a week.

The third fact we have to accept is that there is no majority in the House of Commons for any sort of Brexit—not for Theresa May's Brexit, not for Jacob Rees-Mogg's Brexit, and not for any sort of blindfold Brexit either. But the weakness of the Prime Minister and the aggressiveness of the Breximists on the ERG—the political cousins of the UKIP Members in this Chamber—means that unless we find a way out of this mess, we will have the worst kind of Brexit at all: a 'no deal' Brexit that would destroy our manufacturing in Wales and devastate our health service; a 'no deal' Brexit that will decimate our automotive, aerospace and agricultural sectors; a 'no deal' Brexit that will destroy jobs at companies like ArvinMeritor in Cwmbran who depend on just-in-time manufacturing. It's their jobs, their mortgages, their kids' futures at stake.

So, the fourth fact is that we need a way out of this mess, and that means that parties will have to co-operate. My party's amendment says the way out is a general election. I will vote for it, but I will do so knowing that the fifth fact is that there is little to no chance of it happening. And that leads me to my sixth and final fact, that a people's vote is the one way we have to unite to get us out. It's time we dropped the party political bombast and showed leadership, even if it's hard and recognise that fact. 

A people's vote will not be a repeat of the 2016 referendum, but a vote on the actual deal. The advocates of Brexit got the right in 2016 to negotiate for us to leave, but we should have the right to tell them that what they're offering is not good enough compared to what we have today. I'm not afraid of that debate, but it seems the advocates of Brexit are.