Thanks to the Minister for bringing today's debate, and I think there have been very interesting contributions from everyone so far. I agree with the Minister that we do need a rehabilitative system as well as a punitive system, and I look forward to reading his blueprint for female and youth offenders. Hopefully that will take the debate forward, and we can look at things in a little bit more detail. I'm not convinced, though, that we can't address the problems in the criminal justice system on a UK-wide basis. Mark Isherwood did raise the issue that there are similar problems in the Scottish prison service where the issue is devolved, so I think we do need to bear that in mind. 

Where I do disagree with the Conservatives, in terms of what they are doing on a UK-wide basis, is over the privatisation of the prison service. There's no real evidence that we've seen that supports the view that private prisons are run any better than those run by the prison service. In fact, the evidence tends to suggest the opposite. So, in UKIP, we certainly aren't in favour of any system of moving towards more private prisons. 

The points that several people have made I would tend to agree with: many people in prison are not violent and do not pose any physical menace to society at large, so we can agree that efforts should be made to rehabilitate those offenders who can be rehabilitated, as the cost to society as a whole may well be reduced if there is some form of relatively early intervention in the lives of these people.

In terms of female prisoners, we should consider the need for rehabilitation of them, of course, and it may well be the case that many of them do not need to be imprisoned in the first place. But, while we agree that we need to look at that, certainly, if there is a need to have a women's prison in Wales because of the difficulties of female prisoners being only able to be imprisoned in England, then we do have to look at possibly building that prison in Wales, and of course we're not averse to the idea of building more prisons if that is necessary for the safety of the community.

So, those are the broad points that I would like to make today, and thank you. Diolch yn fawr.