Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:00 pm on 23 October 2018.
Can I just apologise in advance for my persistent cough? It's one of those coughs that is an absolute hazard in this profession—it starts really persistently when I start speaking, which is not helpful, so I apologise if my answer is interrupted or is a little bit more truncated than I'd hope it to be.
A deposit-return scheme, we've heard that there's a clear appetite for it in this Assembly and there is enthusiasm from outside it, and I've spoken with our counterparts across the UK on this and also with counterparts across Europe too, about how they've got that into place and where they've had schemes working for years and years. But, I think, why we say unique Welsh input, I think we need to see what the outcome is of the consultation, too, and look at the things that are raised in the studies, because whilst I can see the positives of it in terms of how it would increase our bottle recycling rate and also higher quality recyclate, I absolutely can't express enough that we need to not see it as the whole panacea; I think it needs to be coupled with other actions as well. But, it's definitely something that we need to explore and how it fits with what we've currently got in terms of our kerbside collection. Because I'm aware that many of those European countries that have very successful DRS schemes, may not have kerbside collections. So, they have a different culture where people are used to going to a place to get rid of their recycling anyway, so it's actually how we bring that. And that's why I think looking at it in a unique Welsh way and making sure that it works for us going into the future is really important. But it's something that I'm committed to getting the best results on for us in Wales.
In terms of refill, I'm pleased that we are progressing on that in Wales. We now have appointed a Wales—. We have a refill co-ordinator for Wales now, to specifically sign up businesses and organisations across the country, and the Refill Wales app is up and running. It's something that I'd welcome Members' support and help with promoting in your constituencies and in your areas. When I've been out and about, I go in and they've got a water urn there and they're doing refills, but they're not aware of being part of this network and this structure, which could bring benefits to their business as a whole, anyway. So, anything anybody else in this Chamber can do to support and promote that cause, because it's one way to produce—. It's healthy rehydration, but it also cuts down on single-use plastic as well.
I know that there's an appetite also for water fountains and I think that's certainly something worth exploring, but as you said before, that comes with a higher cost for local authorities and maintenance. It's something we need to look at properly to see how we could possibly do that, but also, we can't bring old water fountains back into use, because a lot of them have lead pipes. So, that probably wouldn't be advisable.
In terms of tax, I expect and hope that something will be in the budget next week. Expectations have been raised that the UK Government is wanting to go down this route, and we're obviously keen for them to do that. It's certainly something that we've made clear from the outset, that should they choose not to go down that route, then it's certainly something we could look at using the levers at our disposal for. But, clearly, that's a conversation that I need to have with my colleague the Cabinet Secretary for Finance before making any firm commitments in this place.