7. Plaid Cymru Debate: Climate Change

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:18 pm on 24 October 2018.

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Photo of Lee Waters Lee Waters Labour 5:18, 24 October 2018

I won't, David. I just want to develop an argument. There is common cause across all parties here. This is an argument that—David Melding said future generations will not forgive us lightly for not acting seriously. Instead of tripping each other up and scoring political points—. Many of the points in the motion, as I say, I agree with, and I do hope that the new Welsh Government in the new year will take forward a number of them. But, on the M4, there's a good reason why I'm not going to be voting with the Plaid motion on the M4 this afternoon, even though I agree with it: because there is going to be a substantive vote on it. Like the leader of the house said yesterday, there will be a substantive vote before Christmas. There will be a vote on the budget. That is the time to nail our colours to the mast on the M4, and all you could do today, by making a symbolic gesture, which I'll be criticised for, no doubt, is—. There are delicate discussions going on, and what is the point in false martyrdom today, when actually there are serious battles to be fought? [Interruption.] No, Rhun, I'm not going to give way; I won't. There are serious battles to be fought, and matters of principle about the future of our country and giving meaning to this agenda. And that's what—[Interruption.] And that's what—[Interruption.] And that is what we should be focusing on, not trying to—[Interruption.] Rhun is determined to intervene, and therefore I shall give way.