9. Debate: How do we achieve a low carbon energy system for Wales?

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 6:30 pm on 20 November 2018.

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Photo of Andrew RT Davies Andrew RT Davies Conservative 6:30, 20 November 2018

I find that remarkable, that intervention from the Member for Anglesey. I recognise the work that he has done as an individual, but it clearly shows that he has failed to win the argument within his political group, and therefore I fail to see how, when the reference in the amendment is quite clear to Wylfa Newydd specifically and doesn't widen any broader than that, he, certainly, as an individual, cannot support it, leave alone the rest of the Plaid Cymru group. I had assumed that the Plaid Cymru group were supportive of Wylfa Newydd, whilst they had a discussion and a debate around the wider issues of nuclear production and nuclear energy. Obviously, people will see the way the group votes today and know which side their bread is buttered on.

On amendment 3, I think this is a really important issue that was driven home to me by the residents around the Hendy windfarm development, which the Minister obviously chose to intervene on and actually gave permission to this particular development. The Minister did touch on communities being able to have a say and a stake in renewable projects and I do think that that's really, really important, but when residents of a locality find that they've engaged in the democratic process, i.e. the planning system and they've gone through the local authority and had an inspector look at the proposals as well, and on each and every occasion the inspector and the planning authority have said that this application is not suitable to be developed in this particular location, that really does undermine residents' faith in the process. And this amendment is put down tonight in the hope that Members in this Chamber will galvanise support to encourage the Minister to reflect on the decisions she has taken.

Only this morning some pictures were coming out from the location, showing that heavy plant was moving onto the site in defiance, I would suggest, of the planning authority's permissions to date along common ground. I would urge the Cabinet Secretary, if our amendment is defeated tonight, to make enquiries to satisfy herself that there is no work going on on the site at the moment, because it is causing a huge amount of concern. But obviously, I very much hope that our amendment will pass this evening, because it really does warrant a reconsideration on behalf of the Minister.

There is an exciting and dynamic agenda when it comes to renewables, but riding rough shod over local residents' confidence in the principle of having a fair hearing, putting their case and having that case heard and supported, and then undermining those cases, really does no service at all to the renewables sector. I do believe that the Minister does need to answer that in her summing up this afternoon, and I hope that she will do that. 

If I could galvanise the rest of the debate that we want to put forward from this side: we do believe passionately that Wales is well placed to play its part in lowering carbon emissions across the United Kingdom. We do have a natural abundance of opportunities to develop renewable energy here. Two areas that do need considerable consideration, though, I would suggest, and Government influence, are grid connections in particular, because there are many small renewable projects that could get off the ground if only they could get a grid connection and they could, in themselves, play a huge part in collectively coming together to raise our numbers in this particular field. And, I do believe that whilst it's not a devolved responsibility, if the Cabinet Secretary engaged with Ofgem to encourage them to be more proactive here in Wales, because they are the regulator and when it comes to combined heat and plant units being established, which the report touches on, there is a huge issue around the backlog of renewable heat incentive applications that really is deterring investment in that particular sector. Again, I do believe that that's an area that needs addressing, and hopefully Government intervention, to support the sector to make sure that people have the confidence to make those significant investments.

But I do hope that our two amendments carry tonight. The one in particular around Wylfa Newydd, which looks to invest in a community that is desperate for that investment to create quality jobs with decent, well-paid salaries, and the second amendment that we've tabled around the Hendy windfarm: it does require a second look, Minister. I do hope that you will give us the confidence—. I can see you shaking your head and saying that you will not be doing it. That is highly regrettable, and people will lack the confidence going forward that Ministers are adhering to the rules.